That is a very interesting and constructive point, because we do want to have an evidence base.

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Bolton South East (Yasmin Qureshi) and my right hon. Friend the Lord Chancellor.

I very much respect the point that the right hon.

I very much respect the point that the right hon.

Yes, I do. That is very important, and that is why it is not surprising that experienced former judges have expressed a view on this.

I totally agree. These are useful, practical measures on their own, but they are by no means a solution to the problem.

Yes, I do. That is very important, and that is why it is not surprising that experienced former judges have expressed a view on this.

I intervene only in fairness to the distinguished legal journalist Mr Joshua Rozenberg, for that was his phrase that the noble Lord Judge

I intervene only in fairness to the distinguished legal journalist Mr Joshua Rozenberg, for that was his phrase that the noble Lord Judge

I understand what the hon.